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August 05, 2005

Labnotes on Open Tags

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Posted by Stowe Boyd

Labnotes at Opsop riffs on my recent post on Open Tags, and suggests using UML "anchors" or "fragments" to denote tags:

[from More on Microformats]

I've also been thinking about using the fragment identifier, e.g. <a href="#thai" rel="tag">Thai</a>. It's semantically correct (I know what this tag means to me), and persistent (back reference), but I'm not sure how it plays along with syndication.

None of that would matter if I didn't have to link to anything. When I write my post, I simply add a line of text that looks like:

tags: microformats reltag semantics xri

That's enough content for people who read the post, it's also enough content for the WP plugin to figure out the tags and create the microformat. I only need to add the links so Technorati can spot the tags. Understood. That's what the "rel" attribute does. But then why does relTag have to say anything about the URL?

Why, indeed?

I think there is some merit in the simplicity of the use of an anchor ("#thai") but it poses other small problems: don't hey have to be unique in the HTML file? Or maybe on the the first instance would be found? But of course, the way that we use tags now -- a pointer from a taggregator like Technorati points to a post, not a specific location in a post -- doesn't gibe with how anchors work.

Even more simple is the convention of a keyword "tag:" but that brings up a host of problems, because that sequence of characters is not encoded in any way, and people could use it for other purposes, like "I went to look at the tag: it was red" does not really introduce three tags: "it" "was" "red". Also, there is no obvious way to end the sequence.

No, I really think we do need something like the XMI approach that Drummond proposes (see earlier post), but I am not certain yet of the exact form it should take.

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1. assaf on August 5, 2005 04:36 PM writes...

you can have multiple tags pointing at thai with href="#thai". that's different from the anchors (what you're pointing at). anchors use the id/name attribute that must be unique on the page.

so multiple posts can use href="#thai". the sidebar can have a tag list/tagcould, with an entry id="thai" that could point to technorati, del.icio.us, all of the above.

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2. assaf on August 7, 2005 05:19 AM writes...

I've decided to settle on #tag/ for now, and solve the 'link to something interesting' problem by using a popup links box that can link to any number of tagging services.

You can see it (and get the code) here:
http://trac.labnotes.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/TagsLinks

(Apologies if the link doesn't work outright, new domain added today, some DNS are slow to update)

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