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December 05, 2005
Adam Curry and Dave Winer Give Each Other Wedgies Over Podcasting Credit
Posted by Stowe Boyd
I have had my own tiffs with Dave Winer -- he is an easy guy to dislike and/or piss off -- so I tingle with schadenfreud to watch the mess roiling about the can of worms that his relationship with Adam Curry has turned into. Recently, Curry has been accused of editing the Wikipedia entry on podcasting to inflate his role (hey wait... it's Wikipedia... can't anyone edit anything?) in the development of podcasting, and now, apparently, Curry has caught Winer deleting a post that claims Curry should turn over 50% of Podshow to him.
[from CURRY.COM: Adam Curry's Weblog
In January of 2005 I met in a Miami hotel with Dave, Ron Bloom and 5 other people in the course of the week about starting a podcasting business. For days we had heated discussions about the future of Podcasting and it was clear that the differences of opinion were vast.
It was also clear that no one from the group (which included 2 investors) wanted to work with Dave but me. It was a very uncomfortable time for me, and at the end of the week I told Dave I wasn't interested in setting up a business anymore if we couldn't get the business people on board. He freaked out (in a restaurant) and demanded that if I got a television show out of the press at the time, that I would have to pay him his 'share' and drove away without saying goodbye. That event made me realize I had made a wise decision. Some people you just don't want to be in business with.
Podshow, which was started months after the Miami meeting, is not the company Dave and I discussed and it wouldn't be where it is today if we had followed Dave's vision. In fact, he shunned the entire idea and even the name outright. We made a clean break in Miami and Dave apparently can't accept that.
Part of the 'work' that Dave and I did under our so called 50/50 agreement was on audio.weblogs.com, which I promoted relentlessly. Where's my piece of the $2.3 million that Dave received for it? He didn't even have the courtesy to toss a bone to the server admin he promised to 'make whole' upon a sale for setting up the infrastructure gratis. And there are more Winer stories like this flowing into my email box.
Doc Searls, where are you? Can you calm these guys down before the pioneers of podcasting turn themselves into a laughing stock?
[Update: A little birdy pointed out that I misspelled Winer's name as Weiner throughout. Thanks!]
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1. merkley??? on December 5, 2005 11:35 PM writes...
since everyone else is already thinking it:
man, that weiner dude sounds like a dick.
Permalink to Comment2. Ryan Hoback on December 7, 2005 12:06 PM writes...
Stowe,
If you could please browse this site momentarily, maybe you will find some sort of synergy with our appraoach to business podcasting and your ideas.
We are currently trying to drive the push behind the commercial application of podcasting to various industries.
I am open to discussions.
Have a great day.
Ryan Hoback
http://www.WhatIWantPodcasting.com
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