Wow. I have been traveling back and forth across the US the past two days, and completely missed this piece. Apparently Mena Trott gave a sort of odd (to be kind) talk at Les Blogs (again, I am glad I didn't go), where she called for a "nicer" blogosphere. Then some casually minded guy, Ben Metcalfe, disagrees with the thrust of the talk in the IRC backchannel, which was being projected behind Mena, and then...
[from :Ben Metcalfe Blog -- Blog Archive -- Les Blogs: Me Mena]
Whilst all of this was going on, we were making our thoughts known on the conference backchannel (like we did for every session, good or bad). From what others were saying it was clear her speech was getting a lot of other people’s backs up too, not just mine. I wrote several times that I found elements of the speech patronising – especially when the idea was floated about a suggested “terms and conditions” for commenting.
During the backchannel conversation I did finally loose my cool and describe what she was saying as “bullshit” – which I concede is a strong word to have used. However, this was a backchannel environment and as such I feel it went up to, but didn’t cross the line, of what you can reasonably expect from “backchannel discourse”. I also want to reemphasise that that the tone and content of Mena’s speech was so unbelievably way off what was appropriate given the nature of the audience. This sentiment has been backed up by others someone even described it as “startlingly na�ve” during a post-session chat about it.
However, my “bullshit” comment hadn’t gone unnoticed, as the backchannel was also being projected onto the screens at the front of the auditorium. Clearly this was the straw the broke the camel’s back, and Mena highlighted my comment. Shel Israel came to her defense and demanded for “dotBen to stand up and show yourself” [clairification: Mena asked me to stand up, Shel voiced his support]
And being the no-shit kinda guy I am, I did. In front of 400 influential bloggers and opinion formers I stood up
What followed was a brief but frank discourse between Mena at the lectern and me, with a radio mic, at the back of the hall.
Which is characterized at the Blog Herald as "Mena Trott implodes on stage at Les Blogs: calls participant an Asshole after lecturing audience about the importance of civility", which seems to sum it up, sadly enough.
[Note: The comments at Ben's post are fascinating, like Dave Winer's: "I never thought comments were an integral part of blogging. You can go back and read my archive to see that I’ve been pretty consistent about that." Huh? Conversational medium, but comments aren't integral? And Don Park lends true wisdom: "To sum it up, my advice is to:
- be civil mostly.
- be direct when civility intereferes more than helps.
- be tolerant always.
]
1. Duncan on December 8, 2005 02:55 AM writes...
I agree with your comments about the conversation, which is why I've always believe that comments are a very important aspect to blogging, and that's also reflected on a lot of the new MSM and Corporate blogs as well, many now have comment features which is great. May a topic for you to pursue in a future post.
Permalink to Comment2. Stephanie on December 8, 2005 04:57 AM writes...
As a weblog researcher, I have had to come up with a definition of a weblog. To me, a weblog is NOT a weblog without comments. All these newspapers that use the buzzword 'blog' to describe yet another one-way channel of communication are missing the point, as is anyone who does not recognize the power (or potential power) of comments in creating meaningful conversation. You seem to get it (did that sound pretentious :-P )
Permalink to Comment3. Shel Israel on December 8, 2005 01:36 PM writes...
Just one correction to your otherwise accurate recap. l did not ask Ben to identify himself. Mena did. l did back Mena's argument, and suggest that the audience vote on whom they agreed with, an idea which was not well-received.
ln retrospect, the biggest mistake seems to me to have been the posting of the back channel conversation behind the speakers as they presented. Too me it was often like graffiti being sprayed on an exhibit of art. The art may have been mixed in quality to begin with, but that back channel only deferred from sincere efforts to contribute without adding anything of quality itself.
Permalink to Comment4. Loic on December 8, 2005 06:12 PM writes...
You're happy you did not go and you got bored about blogging conferences, and still no answer to my question then on why you pinged me by email to know if you could be a speaker this time if you're so happy and so bored. Do you read your comments, Stowe ?
Permalink to Comment5. howard liptzin on December 11, 2005 05:17 PM writes...
Hey Stowe, it's too bad you didn't come because we would have finally been able meet each other face to face. As for the tempest in a teapot, it really was pretty silly from the git-go.
Permalink to Comment6. Tish Grier on December 11, 2005 11:40 PM writes...
Bottom line: we come from different cultures that have different perceptions of what is/is not civil. Ben was annoyed by Mena's touchy-feely, very Californian idea of civility. I understand that. But far more uncivil than Ben saying what he said, or Mena calling Ben out, is the IRC backchat--which ends up being like a child performer upstaging the trained thespian. If we learn one lesson it might be that the backchannel might be best served being off-stage
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