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August 06, 2004
Radicati and Ferris Lotus Stalwarts Going At ItEmail This EntryPrint This Entry
Posted by Stowe Boyd

I get a sick kind of pleasure (and I don't know why) about the fracas between Radicati and Ferris analysts various Lotus stalwarts over the content of a recent Radicati report that disses IBM's Workplace strategy and supports Microsoft's market approach.

What has happened is an enormous mess:

  • Ed Brill, a Lotus executive, posted a link to the report on his weblog, and his readers began reading it, and commenting on it.
  • A Radicati analyst (or analysts) posted responses to the criticisms under a psuedonym.
  • Various folks uncovered the ID of the Radicati employee, and traced the fact that the same email addresses were used to demand that anti-Radicati bloggers should be fired, including Ed Brill. Various IBM excs recieved such emails.
Sean Gallagher
[Lotus Bloggers and Analysts Brawl, Bogus Postings Alleged]

Radicati said she was surprised by the harshness of the initial response to the white paper. "I'm pretty appalled by it," she said. "We'd never seen the discussion stoop to this level [on blogs] before, particularly the viciousness in which things were discussed."

The white paper, a summary of five recently published reports from The Radicati Group, was critical of IBM Lotus' handling of its roadmap for its Domino messaging server and the upcoming IBM Workplace collaboration platform, calling it an "end-of-life" strategy for Domino and predicting that "many Domino users will migrate away from the platform."

Radicati said the analysis was based on surveys and interviews with corporate executives with purchasing decision power, and an analysis of the information provided by IBM and Microsoft.

"The people who are writing on blogsthose are Lotus diehards, IT managers and midlevel people who've built their career on Lotus," Radicati said. "They're not necessarily the people who hold the purse strings. I think that's where some of the disconnect is."

This affair provides an almost textbook example of the sort of grassroots marketing support that vendors like IBM, Microsoft and Sun Microsystems hope to gain by projecting their corporate presence into the blogging world.

At the same time, it also shows how complicated that interaction can be. To be successful, a company's community relationship should be built on honesty and trustor at least on trust.

I am almost afraid to point out the various white papers I wrote last year, agreeing with the Radicati views on IBM's confused marketing message relative to Microsoft. In February November 2003 [Ed Brill's comment led me to correct this], I wrote First Take: Microsoft Office Live Communications Server 2003, where I said the following:


Undoing Sametime: The Battle for the Enterprise

In past years, IBM Lotus Sametime was the solution to beat for enterprise instant messaging, but Sametime is undergoing a wholesale restructuring within a larger IBM product family. Built on the reputation and functionality of the Lotus Notes/Domino platform, Lotus established a leadership position for enterprise real-time collaboration, both instant messaging and web conferencing, with its Sametime product.

As a part of IBMs move to obsolete the venerable Notes/Domino technology, Lotus Sametime as well as other collaborative technologies pioneered by Lotus is being repositioned as a component of WebSphere, IBMs enterprise application platform. IBM has been reorganizing all collaborative technologies around WebSphere, to the point where Lotus has become little more than a brand under the WebSphere umbrella.

Sametime is being reformulated as two products, Lotus Instant Messaging and Lotus Web Conferencing. Note that nearly all the sophisticated real-time communication capabilities are only available in Lotus Web Conferencing. These include audio and video chat, application sharing, and other advanced features that are native to Live Communications Server.

One element of confusion surrounding IBMs plans for real-time collaboration is the future of the two products that have been refactored from Sametime. While they are currently sold through a single license, IBMs is positioning the two as independent products. In the future Lotus Workplace, who knows how they will be licensed or managed? IBM is unclear on this matter.

At the beginning of 2003, Sametime was clearly the market leader for enterprise real-time collaboration. However, in the past ten months IBM has worked to reformulate Sametime as a WebSphere component and is quickly moving away from the Notes/Domino platform. These activities have been the major focus of SameTime development in 2003, instead of providing new functionality.

Consider that in the same period Microsoft has brought the Live Communications Server to market, integrated with the Office 2003 release, and providing very attractive features and functionality when compared with SameTime.

In particular, IBM seems to have turned its back on the desktop, and the productivity benefits for information workers that arise through real-time desktop collaboration. WebSphere provides a portal-style integration strategy for IBM customers, and IBM seems committed to getting its customers to turn their backs on the in-context collaboration that naturally emerges from integration of real-time collaboration with Office tools. Even at the January 2003 Lotusphere conference, established and knowledgeable Lotus business partners were questioning the WebSphere strategy, and conjecturing that some of the technological lead that Sametime had over its competitors would be lost as the result of IBMs strategic priorities taking precedence over product enhancement. It looks now, ten months later, as if the discouraged business partners that I spoke with were right, at least with regard to the impact that the WebSphere strategy would have on Sametimes technological leadership.

So, although I would seem to be speaking on the side of the malefactors in this recent analyst cat fight, I have to agree with the thrust of Radicati's analytic sentiment, if not their blogging etiquette.

[Pointer from Shared Spaces]

[7 Aug 2004 -- Note: I have struck out the references to Ferris, since I was informed by Michael Sampson that it wasn't Ferris folks, but others, including him (at Shared Space) that got all spun up in this thing.]

[7 Aug 2004 -- Also note: Ed Brill suggests that my comments regarding IBM's 'retreat from the desktop' are, at best, out of date, and at worst, simply wrong. I am open to persuasion! So I hope to interview Ed later this month, and get the walk-through on IBM's Workspace strategy and client technology.]




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Michael Sampson on August 6, 2004 06:34 PM writes...

Stowe, please note that this has NOTHING to do with Ferris Research. It has not been involved at all. If anything, it was originally Radicati vs. Shared Spaces.

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Ed Brill on August 6, 2004 09:51 PM writes...

"IBM seems to have turned its back on the desktop," -- huh? The Workplace client technology announced in May '04 is entirely about the desktop.
and as was written in the response to Radicati, ther e IS NO IBM "move to obsolete Notes/Domino"!! If you wrote this in February 2003, it's a very dated perspective on the IBM Lotus story. I'm happy to take you through the current state of affairs, just let me know.

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Martin Hall on August 6, 2004 11:54 PM writes...

I'm inviting Sara Radicati, Genelle Hung and Ed Brill to discuss how analysts work and this example issue at the next INBOX conference. Of course, it may all be resolved by then but for many people, the science of analysts is a black art. I'm also happy to balance this out with another analyst and vendor representative.

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Stowe Boyd on August 7, 2004 08:28 AM writes...

Ed -

I'd like to get an update. Let's try for the week of Aug 23? I'll write it up here at Get Real.

- Stowe

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Ed Brill on August 7, 2004 09:56 AM writes...

Week of the 23rd is pretty good -- I'm not slated to be travelling, so pick a day. We can do the rest via e-mail/IM...

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Thomas "Duffbert" Duff on August 9, 2004 07:42 AM writes...

And I think this is a prime example that illustrates the point that the furor with Radicati is *not* about the report. We ("Ed's Friends") have been painted as a band of thugs who jump all over anyone who doesn't agree with us, Ed, or the Lotus vision. Had Radicati not gone the alias post/defense/harrassment route, this would have been a non-story. You've made an analysis, there's a differing of opinion, and it's being discussed rationally.

Word of advice... just don't post anonymously anywhere, huh? :-)

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Bill Buchan on August 12, 2004 06:59 PM writes...

Yeah. We (as in the "thuggish" domino community - independent consultants who work with the product) often beat up Ed far more for his digressions.

We're pretty enthusastic about our platform - "ours" because we've all been working in it for years.

Most of us in the "domino community" blog. What does that mean ? It means that we all have on-line reputations, and stand by them. I may post incorrect stuff, but I'm sure that enough folks will leap down my throat to publish some sort of retraction.

Whereas the Radicalli group seem to like sending their analysts into discussions anonymously and stirring up a hornets nest.

Or - as has been suggested, anonymously harassing folks for having differing views.

(Dr Sara Radicalli - if your reading this - my employer has offered to sack me if you complain to them in writing for my temerity in having a contrary view to yourself. Shouldnt be too hard to track down, eh?)

Check out the radicalli wiki dissection of this so far. Its easy to find - its number two on Google when you search for them.

Hence Duffberts suggestion to actuallly make comments non-anonymously and stand by them. So if someone is foolish enough to *lie* about our platform, for instance, then we can dissect that comment in a responsible manner.

When I was a small child, kids used to play a scottish game called "cheeky nellie". Ringing someones doorbell and running away. Posting anonymously on the net into discussions such as this, in my humble opinion, is as childish as that game.

And thats why perhaps the reaction has been so strong. Anonymous "trolling", vague threats, wild accusations. Its been like an episode of Soap.

Guess who looks the most foolish ?

---* Bill

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