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November 17, 2004
Technorati vote links... an ideaEmail This EntryPrint This Entry
Posted by Marc Eisenstadt

[UPDATE: image below is clickable, with rollovers that display a small amount of relevant content, exported by Compendium]

There's been some interesting discussion back and forth about a recent proposal in the Technorati Developer Wiki to have 'vote links'. The basic idea, as stated on the site itself (linked in the diagram below) is as follows:

I propose that we add a set of three new values for the rel attribute of the link tag in HTML. The new values are "vote-for" "vote-abstain" or "vote-against", which are mutually exclusive, and represent agreement, abstention or indifference, and disagreement respectively. A link without an explicit vote 'rel' value is deemed to have value "vote-for" or "vote-abstain", depending on the application. Additional human-readable commentary can be added using the existing 'title' attribute, which most browsers show as a rollover.

It's an interesting idea, but I think the cut-and-thrust of the debate around it (highlighted in the diagram in fact) really rests on the fact that links (today) have zero semantics associated with them, and in the long run this is going to be problematic. While it's true that users don't want to go through the 'pain barrier' associated with annotating links, wouldn't it be nice if a crawler could deliver them to us automatically, and then provide some lightweight annotation that we could annotate 'to taste'... in fact the diagram below does exactly this, and at the same time shows you the original proposal and a few 'pro' and 'con' arguments in a manner that I believe is much more evocative than any 'inline text with links' I might have provided here.


I propose that we add a set of three new values for the rel attribute of the <a> (link) tag in HTML. The new values are "vote-for" "vote-abstain" or "vote-against", which are mutually exclusive, and represent agreement, abstention or indifference, and disagreement respectively. A link without an explicit vote 'rel' value is deemed to have value "vote-for" or "vote-abstain", depending on the application. Additional human-readable commentary can be added using the existing 'title' attribute, which most browsers show as a rollover.
Thanks to some initiative and hard work from Kevin Marks, we've put up a page that tracks Vote Links. Vote Links allow you to add some more information to a link when you make it - it allows you to ?vote-for? ?vote-abstain? or ?vote-against? the hyperlink. These votes are mutually exclusive and represent agreement, abstention (or indifference), and disagreement with the contents of the link.
I agreed that Google?s approach to PageRank?in which all links are created equal, regardless of context or intent?was flawed. But I argued then, and still feel now, that using the terminology of ?voting? was equally flawed. I?m deeply uncomfortable with reducing everything to a binary vote, and with tinging every link with an explicit or implicit stance.
.... Technorati (or someone else) could collaboratively filter these "vote links" for individual bloggers in the same way that Yahoo's Launch.com filters votes for music to group together users with similar tastes and introduce users to new music that they are likely to enjoy. ... if we get enough people making "vote links" and someone collaboratively filters them, we can all have our own personalized, collaboratively-filtered, constantly-evolving RSS feed. Social networks would emerge around issues/themes in the same way that users clump together around musical genres.
Here's my vote, for John Kerry.
Links are associations, both for users and search engines in the Google era.  Some associations are desireable, some are not, some need to be qualified and some imply guilt.  Coates' idea,  "using an .htacess file or something similar to serve up a page which declares that you refuse to be associated with the views of the person whose site you've just left," is what you could call an Anti-link. An Anti-link provides a functional link between two pages, but votes or stands against the content of the other page.


How on earth did I get such a diagram? Well, following the 'duelling blogs' discussion that Stowe and I started a few months ago, I did some experiments reported here, and what you see is a first-pass entirely manual variant (manually dragging and dropping pages into Compendium that is, which then exports a slicker/Javascripted variant of the above diagram!), just to put up as a little thought-experiment and discussion point!


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nicolas nova on November 20, 2004 02:31 PM writes...

We used last year a similar idea for our french-speaking RSS aggregator:
rss4you is a web-based news aggregator that provides users with a social navigation feature. It aims at augmenting current syndication by using an alternative information navigation model: relying on others activities. The cornerstone of rss4you consists in a voting systems that allow you to rate the RSS feeds you syndicate. Every user hence has a list of his/her favorite RSS feeds he/she can share with others (in an OPML format). Based on this favorite list, the system retrieve users with close interests (based on the similarity of their feeds weight with the ratings) and hence recommend you to have a look at RSS feeds syndicated by users with close interests. A list of the most popular RSS feeds is also provided. The system, though in beta version is used to test various concepts of social navigation

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Visualizing Webs of BlogThreads from Olivier Travers Jon Schull attempts to map a conversation thread spread among several blogs. 03/17/03 update: Towards structured blogging. 05/21/03 update: Dynamics of a Blogosphere Story. 04/16/04 update: Sharpreader - Threaded RSS. 11/20/04 update: Technorati vote l... [Read More]

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